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The following text was submitted by Eddie from Sweden and the links at the bottom come from OJAS in the USA.
Welcome to any newcomers who find this thread, for Christ's sake.. READ THIS!
...and save yourself a lot of homework and/or grief
SOME GENERAL INFO ABOUT RUSSIAN GIRLS, AND HOW TO SPOT RUSSIAN DATING SCAMMERS:
The vast majority of Russian dating scammers are not women at all, but actually men, mostly working in small gangs in or around Yoshkar Ola, in Mari El republic, sometimes in Chuvashia. It's virtually guaranteed that the girls in these scam pics aren't involved because the scammers steal their pics from the internet or pay unsuspecting friends for them, or buy and exchange them on scammer websites. (Once a scammer even admitted to me that he stole all his pics from army-of-brides.com and mamba.ru ).
Most scammers are VERY lazy and looking for quick cash. They use email extractor programs to get your mail addresses (if you don't have a profile on a dating site, that is)...
http://www.webextractor.com/ and copied form mails and spam programs on automatic reply, very often the BAT!, which can personalize small parts of each letter.
They mostly won't read your letters until after the money letter because they don't have time, ie because they're scamming, or trying to scam, as many guys as they can (economies of scale).....and also because they're semi-literate losers who can't speak much English anyway. IN OTHER WORDS, you can write any crap in your replies and they won't react, they're only interested when they're curious to know if you've taken the bait after the money letter. A girl is only involved either occasionally to phone a guy up, especially if he's suspicious, or to pick up the loot at Western Union, with a false ID of course!
More recently, the majority of Russian scammers have started using proxy servers or forged IPs to hide their locations so ALL YOU REALLY NEED TO DO IS TRACE THEIR IP ADDRESS!
So....if several or more of the following scam signs apply to your Boris (the beautiful Russian 'girl' that is supposedly writing to you), resist the temptation to help 'the poor girl' by sending her money. You're really writing to a sleazy Russian guy sitting in a smoky room in Yoshkar Ola, with a bunch of other sleazy guys spamming indiscriminately on laptops .
'girl' writes to you first on a dating site...especially a free one (or an email appears out of nowhere in your mailbox). Real Russian girls are rarely so bold as to write to you first. (unless you're obviously very attractive or rich :))) They will often reply to your mails, but rarely take the initiative. It's the man who does the chasing in Russia. Plus, if they're looking for a partner, they generally prefer him to be Russian speaking and live in Russia. Much more convenient!
doesn't answer direct questions (sometimes factual mistakes in the letter). Her replies should be exactly that...replies...however short they are.
girl's much too young for you (or too good to be true/looks like a model/porno star)....although I have noticed a recent tendency for some scammers to use photos of slightly 'less attractive' girls as well.
girl has some far-fetched excuses for you not visiting her in Russia (criminal city, not the Russian custom, terrorism, it's her dream to come to your country, etc). ALL BULLSHIT!! Actually, the normal way to meet a Russian girl is to visit her in her city first. Russian TV is full of documentaries about Russian girls who have emigrated and got murdered, abandoned, etcetc. They should usually want to meet you first before they gallivant off to your country.
scammers rarely have children, but most of the real Russian women I've ever met on the internet did (except for Moscow career girls). It's often the reason that they're looking for a partner.
photos are too revealing (can't be a respectable girl). Respectability is very important to most Russian women (especially Moscow career girls). They're hardly likely to send a half-naked photo to a virtual stranger on the internet. Think about it!
most of the pics are old and a little bit faded with a curiously grainy quality that soon becomes quite easy to recognise (overuse?). Again a scammer admitted to me that low-quality photos are a key factor in his scamming. I found this curious because a serious Russian girl who's looking for a partner very often saves up and goes to a professional to have a studio set done (often corny ones posing with a chair etc), and/or borrows a digicam at least (dates should also be on the photos you receive). My fiancée did it. Russian girls aren't all that poor anymore, and if they seriously want to leave Russia, they know that posting cheap pics will only attract cheap guys.
GIRL CLAIMS NOT TO HAVE A MOBILE PHONE. Very unlikely!!! fer f***'s sake.....do you know a single girl without a mobile phone? Even poor Russian girls can't do without one, they're much cheaper than in Europe and a Megafon telephone card doesn't cost that much either. You should be able to call her whenever you want. On the other hand, not having a landline or a desktop/laptop is very common.
very long rambling/ecstatic form letters with a strange format, punctation and layout written in scamlish. (world's worst Babelfish translation)
writes long letters everyday in English. How does she have time to write those long letters if she's working? And if she doesn't have a job, how can she afford a computer + internet connection? Even Internet cafés are relatively expensive in Russia. Anyway, most Russians outside Moscow can hardly speak a word of English. (What's the point of finding a girl you can't communicate with, at least on a basic level?) PLUS.. if she can't speak English, why does she have a non-cyrillic email account like gmail or yahoo? Most real Russians use mail.ru, yandex.ru or inbox.ru....though hotmail and yahoo are acceptable if she'll chat with you on messenger (preferably with a webcam).
falls in 'love' very quickly. Don't let your ego, kind heart, loneliness or lust pull the wool over your eyes. She doesn't really know you. You could be an axe murderer for all she knows. As I mentioned, Russian TV is full of documentaries about Russian girls who have emigrated and got murdered, abandoned, etcetc.
uses a proxy server to hide his/her location, ie a SOCKS server / GPRS Internet. if you can't trace 'her' IP, it's 100% scam.
THE FIRST THING YOU SHOULD DO IS TRACE HER IP ADDRESS. In fact, it's the only thing you need to do really.
MOST IMPORTANT...if you get this far:
she asks for money for a tourist 'visa' and/or maybe tickets, ignoring the fact that IT'S VIRTUALLY IMPOSSIBLE FOR A SINGLE, POOR RUSSIAN GIRL TO GET A TOURIST VISA TO A WESTERN COUNTRY!
Most Russian girls outside Moscow and St Petersburg are quite poor, and immigration control would consider them an overstay risk. They would never let be let into your country without a healthy bank account.
She can get a SPONSORED visa with your help, but then she needs a personal letter of invitation from you, a copy of your passport, a proof of your residence in your home country, a completed sponsor's application form (also from you)....not including the documents that she has to fill in herself. She also needs a job in Russia, a letter from her employer and insurance. All of these documents she has to drop off at your national embassy in Moscow WITH PREPAID TICKETS and wait about 10 working days. These are the rules for the Schengen countries anyway...the USA and Canada are almost as, if not more, complicated. Anyway, a normal TOURIST visa + travel costs + hotel rooms would set her back 2000+ US dollars for a trip to the US. She should be asking you for a lot of money! Why should it be so easy for a gorgeous sexy Russian girl just to jump on a plane and fall into bed with you? Anyway, no respectable Russian girl would ask directly for money, but might accept some if you insisted.
There are many variations on the scams, some quite slight. Some scammers claim to have a visa already and need money for tickets, a last-minute medical examination, etcetc. Some claim that their mother needs an operation, etcetc. A few more patient and professional scammers will take months before they hit you with the money letter (though if you follow my tips, you should be able to spot the scammers before then). There are even a few real girls scamming, and professional gold-diggers (mostly in the Ukraine). One or two of them are very bold, and not even afraid to use their true identities. These scammers are harder to spot, and there is no easy way to identify them, all you can do is use your instincts and common sense, and DO YOUR HOMEWORK!
and, of course, a golden rule: DON'T SEND MONEY...unless you're 100% sure she's real.
Another ground rule: if you are looking for a Russian wife/partner, you must be prepared to travel to Russia to meet her. You also need to behave generously towards her; after all, you need to prove that you can support here (and her kids) if she migrates to your country. But if she turns out to be a professional gold-digger, which has never happened to me personally or anyone I know (but I know it does happen), you should try to be philosophical and treat it as an exotic trip to a foreign country, have fun anyway, and try not to waste too much money on her.
There are actually hundreds of perfectly nice Russian girls in Russia but you have to be prepared to go and get them. Chercher la femme. It certainly worked for me.
The first couple of pictures posted belong to a chubby porn girl named 'Ellie Jay' affectionately known as the boob goddess and her website is EllieJay.com. A feature act at the Poonanie Club in the UK. Besides having a humongous set of boobs, her other asset being smooth and bare is equally as impressive
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anonymous from Mulberry, United States
Thanks for your answer.
Together with the letter I send you the photos.
My name Evgeniia. I am 33 years old.
I read your letter now. Thanks for your answer
I was never married and I have no children.
Earlier I lived with the boyfriend, but we left, now I live alone.
I am engaged in sewing of women's clothing.
I like my work. And what are you doing you?
Also I will be glad to receive from you new photos.
If it is interesting to you to learn to me on closer, you can ask me it.
Now I want that you had idea of me. I dream of family happiness.
The most important in human life is love and a family. Write to me.
I will wait for your new letter.
Your friend from Russia Evgeniia
Hi my love of mike!
Today I want to write the serious and important letter. Tonight to me will sign papers that I could go on vacation.
Important for me, and important for you. Important for us. I reflected long yesterday on us and on our future.
What do we have and what expects us?? We have a remarkable correspondence: kind, gentle, beautiful and careful letters.
My remarkable emotions every day. We dream very much. But actually we don't have anything.
Something! It - only letters, it - only dreams. It not reality, it yet not life. mike, I adore your letters.
You really changed my world. You touched my heart, presented beautiful dream to me. But it is impossible to correspond eternally.
It is impossible to live only for the sake of letters. It is impossible to live in illusion. Letters. Letters.
What gives us letters, except reflections and hopes??? Letters can't embrace. Letters can't give a kiss.
Letters can't touch my hand and present a smile. Letters not you. I want to be with you. I looked for the person for reality.
For this reason I think that our time came. We have to check the relations. We have to check the feelings.
We can write one million beautiful words. But only the real meeting is able to change our life.
Only the real meeting will give us chance to understand everything, to understand force of our emotions, to understand our prospects.
I hope, you understand me!!? How are you? You thought of ours with you to a meeting? I won't be able to have vacation later.
mike, you will be able to meet me now? For me it is important to know about it. Please, don't think that I hurry.
It will be difficult to me to take vacation in other time. Of course I will understand if you aren't able to find for me all the time.
I don't want to be freight for you. If we are able to spend together time or weekend, it will be fine.
Please, send me your new photos. I want to see your smile. Sometimes I represent ours with you the joint photo.
I am sure that we with you will be beautiful couple. You think of it? You often remember me during the day?
Tonight, I will go to my parents. I want to tell my parents that we will meet you. It is sure that my parents will be glad.
We have to find the way to our future. I don't want to spend in vain time, to wait and suffer alone.
If you don't want a meeting with me. You can write that to me to one words NO!
I don't want to be one. I am afraid to lose you. When I arrive, I can see your life, your world.
I hope that it will be soon when your world becomes my world.
Yours and only your Evgeniia!
Thanks for that you answer my questions. If I passed yours a question write it once again at number, I have no secrets from you.
I am very glad to receive your letter now. mike, I wait for ours with you a meeting with huge impatience. You wait for our meeting?
Today I have important news. Please, be attentive. Today to me called from visa the center,
and I need to arrive to Moscow on interview with the consul. Now I know all information which is necessary for me for travel to your country.
First of all I was told that I have to visit personally the visa center in Moscow to begin process of registration of the visa.
I told that it not a problem. Already tomorrow my vacation will begin, and at any time I can begin registration of the visa.
All documents which I have to have to receive visas, at me are ready. Registration of the visa will take 5-7 days.
I have to you some questions:
1) I will have to live in hotel or I can remain at your home?? please, don't leave my questions without answer.
2) How many days I can remain in your city?
3) I need to know a code of the airport, your full name, a surname.
Also today I learned about the cost of registration of the visa. To begin registration of the visa, I will have to pay 90 dollars.
Also I will need to pay a consular fee and an additional fee for registration of questionnaires.
That to me allowed to travel to your country, I have to have medical Insurance.
In general the cost of receipt of a visa will make from 300 - 350 dollars. This sum includes the cost of medical insurance.
As now worldwide it is very important from medical insurance. I have no lot of money.
However, I don't grudge for money for ours with you meetings. Tickets need to be bought in Russia,
tomorrow in Moscow I think that I learn ticket prices. I have a feeling of pleasure which appeared from the first day of our acquaintance.
From my life the feeling loneliness was gone, and it is pleasant to me to know that in the World there is a person who thinks of me.
Ours with you a meeting is a big step to ours with you the relations.
I listen to the heart, and my heart says that together we will be happy. Please, tell me your thoughts. I will wait for your letter.
I have to know answers to my questions. I don't want to lose any day from my vacation. I miss you very much.
Tomorrow I will go to Moscow. Every day my feelings to you become stronger. I will wait for your letter.
I send you the hot and passionate kisses. Only yours, Evgeniia
anonymous from United States
I very much got tired today. I left my city at morning a shuttle bus, in 5 hours I was in Moscow,
I addressed to agency to rent apartment. One day of rent will cost for me about 45 dollars. Hostess of the apartment very good woman.
Her name is Anna. Micheal, today I visited embassy and the airport. In embassy I wrote the application for registration of the visa.
It was pleasant to me that in the visa center friendly people work. I was helped absolutely with everything.
I gave all necessary documents. Also I took pictures for registration of the visa. Term registration of the visa of 5-7 days.
In embassy I was told that I have to get 2 air tickets. Air tickets are necessary for registration of the visa.
The matter is that the staff of embassy has to be precisely sure of exact dates of my departure and return back to Russia.
Today I visited the airport, and considered the prices of air tickets. Choice of air tickets the very big.
The price was the main criterion of a choice of air tickets for me. I needed to find cheap air tickets.
The employee of the airport helped me at a choice. The cost of air tickets makes 870 dollars USD.
Micheal, already I said to you that your help will be necessary for me. Now I have no money to get air tickets.
I paid registration of the visa and the health insurance in embassy. Also I paid accommodation in the room.
I now had 210 dollars, but these are necessary day for me to live in Moscow until I am given the visa.
I need to remain in Moscow as at any time I can be called in embassies therefore I decided to remain in Moscow.
Already I said to you that I have to get air tickets in Russia. I learned as possibly to transfer money for tickets.
The most reliable and economic way of transfer of money from you to me - Money Gram system.
To me told that you can transfer me money on this system. That Money Gram and in your country.
Everything that to you has to be made it to find this system. To arrive there. To fill a form. To enter there all my data.
My data who will be necessary for you in Money Gram:
Country of Russia, city: Moscow, Bratislavskaya St., 14, Index 109469, my full name Evgeniia Tikhomirova.
After transfer money Money Gram bank, the employee of bank will give you the receipt,
in the receipt there will be all information for receiving money. You can send me the copy of the receipt.
Already my visa is in process of registration. I am glad to that I managed to begin process of registration of the visa.
I hope that soon we with you will be together. I very much got tired today. I will go to sleep now.
I write you from an Internet cafe. Please, don't leave me without your letters.
I absolutely one here, and me am necessary your support every day. I love you!
I still had some photos to send you today. All other my photos stayed at home, I think when I come to you we can do a joint photo.
I wait for your letter of Evgeniia Tikhomirova
Guys, it looks like I've found a real 'Hot-Bed' of potential scam activity.
IE, A co-site says, enter here with your credentials from your other site...
Soon after they say, 'profile accepted, photo accepted.'
First night I received 462 hits, message or interest sent to me.
Well, Be On Your Guard if you are searching here... or,
Just have Fun if you already know what's going on.
Here is a preamble...
Female / Single / ID: xxxxxxx
Abidjan, Lagunes, Cote d'Ivoire
Seeking: Male 40 - 60 living in United States
For: Penpal, Friendship, Romance / Dating, Marriage
Last active: 1 hour ago
Included is an innocent looking professionally made photo
of a young, attractive, light skinned young lady
with red and white hair ribbon and thin wool scarf.
I will not implicate the photo by showing it here.
I feel it's another stolen download, identity theft.
Young girl aged 28 loves sport the restoration and make new meeting
Me I search for a serious relationship sincere and durable with a man of his word serious friendly lovely friendly to be well pleased assemblies for that our sustainable relationship
I will provide the site info and try to make updates of activity to me and what friends report.
I'm not even subscribing here... but this place is Crazy!
IP Address: 126.96.36.199
ISP: Dynamic Network Services
Region: Manchester (US)
And the messages keep coming...
Here's their disclaimer source...
CUPIDMEDIA PTY LTD PO Box 9304 Gold Coast MC QLD 9726 Australia
You have received this email because you are a member of InternationalCupid.com.
On a Good Note, they do include this with profile pages...
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I don't think I'll ever go through so many plots to make reports though.
je ne suis pas trop d accord avec le faite que ces des homme qui sont derriere ses arnaque elle le sont aussi ses femme
et la plus part du temps c est les femme
Bax from United States
So Western Union has Finally been called to court!
Here is a copy/paste from their current site.
Q: Will Western Union refund my money?
If youâ€™ve transferred money and the money hasnâ€™t yet been picked up, call our fraud hotline at (800) 448-1492 to stop the transaction. If the funds havenâ€™t been picked up by the receiver, youâ€™ll get a full refund, including the transaction fee.
If the receiver has already picked up the funds, this money is gone and we wonâ€™t be able to refund your money. We work very hard to identify fraudulent transactions and keep them from going through our systems, but scammers are savvy, and their tactics change constantly. The best way to stop fraud is to learn how to identify fraudsters and scams.