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Are you an American or Western European man exchanging emails with a girl from Russia? I was contacted by a girl who turned out to be a scammer. Reader Derrick put together some great advice how to detect scammers.
I only have one advice (#8) to add: If a Russian girl tells you that she will get a visa to the USA instead of inviting you, that is - under the current immigration law - a SURE sign that SHE LIES.

Here is the process how a Russian woman can come to the USA:

If she is considered a relatively young/ attractive woman (let's say under 40, hope I don't hurt anyone's feelings here), then there is virtually NO CHANCE THAT SHE GETS A TOURIST VISA TO THE USA. First the Russian Federation will not allow her to leave the country. Then, even if she was getting out, the USA will deny her admission. The reasoning is that she is considered a risk. How could she not be a risk? If she had family in Russia (husband, children) or a valuable business or real estate. Most likely the woman who writes you will be considered a risk. The only way for her to get a visa into the USA is this procedure:

  1. the foreign man visits her in her native area in Russia
  2. they get engaged during such a visit - take photos of the 2 of you together
  3. he flies back and applies for a K-1 visa. A K-1 visa is also known as Fiancee visa, used for marriage-based immigration
  4. once the K1 visa is granted, the girl can enter the USA and stay there for 3 months. By the end of these 3 months you HAVE to GET MARRIED or the girl has to go back home.
  5. if you get married, the girl gets a greencard and can work
  6. after 3 years of marriage, the girl can apply for a US citizenship. That's when they interview you to find out if it's a real marriage. She also has to answer some questions about US history, political system, etc etc.

Here are Derrick's tricks (1-7) that he uses immediately from the start:
  1. GOOGLE or websearch the first part of the scammers first emails and/or 'profile'. SEE HOW MANY OTHER SITES their listed on! RECORD THOSE SITES FOR FUTURE REFERENCE. THAT alone can give you a good idea IF your dealing with a scammer OR not.
  2. GOOGLE or websearch the return email address. See how many 'hits' come from that search and also note all the sites. (many times you'll see the email end up on a 'scammers list') IF YOU FIND THE EMAIL ADDRESS LISTED ON A SCAMMER LIST - don't bother further, your only fooling yourself - no matter what excuse they might give you.
  3. FROM THE START - ASK FOR SPECIFIC INFOMATION! A full name, address, phone number - something. OFFER THE SAME in exchange, except make it a P.O. box and a CELL PHONE rental card that will protect your identity. If you see your requests ignored, which you usually will, don't waste your time further.
  4. ALWAYS ASK SPECIFIC QUESTIONS that would REQUIRE A SPECIFIC ANSWER outside the use of FORM LETTERS. IF YOU FIND your questions go unaddress in your reply emails from 'them/her' - YOUR DEALING WITH A SCAMMER. Again, don't bother further.
  5. DON'T WAIT 6 MONTHS to offer to talk with the PROSPECT by phone! WHAT A TOTAL WASTE OF TIME! IF THERE IS CHEMISTRY OR APPEARS 'INTEREST' BETWEEN THE TWO OF YOU - then sieze the opportunity. ARRANGE A PHONE CALL! International rates to Russia and most places are reasonably cheap. IF YOU GET THE REPLY ' I'M SO POOR I DON'T HAVE ACCESS TO A PHONE' - drop the whole thing, your only wasting your time and WILL BE SCAMMED at some point in the future.

    ASK FOR A SPECIAL PHOTO TO BE TAKEN. IF YOU SENT YOURS, HAVE THEM TAKE A PHOTO SHOWING THEM HOLDING UP YOUR PHOTO IN THE PICTURE! That is a good 'scammer filter' - even the most adept with Photoshop will easily be spoted.


    AT THE LEAST - ASK THEM FOR A PHOTO of them wearing a specific combination of clothes and/or colors - something different then the usual 'model clothing' - most use to send out. OR AN OBJECT - TOASTER, ELECTRIC CLOCK, BY A COUCH, IN A ROCKING CHAIR something that would be very hard to use PHOTOSHOP to just PUT in another FILE PHOTO.

    *** IF this person is real or sincere, they won't mind doing this for you! ALSO - offer to do the same for their comfort also - that is only fair.
  8. If she talks about getting a visa or that she needs money to get a travel visa to the USA, she lies. See the proper course of action described at the top.

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2008-01-29, 18:10:46
OJAS from United States  
anonymous from United States 2008-01-29, 16:13:02 Does this thread help you? http://www.delphifa..2612.shtml
2008-01-29, 18:19:03
anonymous from United States  
Darlya is darned persistant. I her I was too old but she was beautiful. now she says granny she she is happy since she meant me. lol I'll add the picture. Guess what her ip starts with 77.40
Oh and Liliya still loves me. But once a day pictures from Pretty young ladies isn't too bad. Oh and I am going to China in the latter part of Arpil to finally meet two honest ladies that know about each other. I will marry one of them. They are both younger than I but only by a few years rather than decades. Russians as well as America and all other countries have beautiful models. Asia has beautiful Women. Looks and heart, maybe that is where you should look instead of Russia.
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Dating scammer Natalja Ryzhikowa from Russia
Dating scammer Natalja Ryzhikowa from Russia
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Keywords: platinum blonde red top white teddy bear
2008-01-29, 23:17:17
Jean,(John) from United States  
Andy, to verify, are you talking about the same Liliya on page 140 of this thread? I plan to take this through the big ask for cash - please let us know if you get one first or you get tired of playing the game.
2008-01-30, 00:59:05   (updated: 2008-01-30, 01:14:29)
Eddie from Sweden  
anonymous from United States 2008-01-29, 18:19:03

There are beautiful, sincere women all over the world, even in the USA! And there are certainly lots in Russia too. I know because I've met 3 very nice girls IRL in Russia, one is now my fiancée. (She was granted residency in Sweden in December). Russian girls also make good wives because they're relatively independent, but family orientated. My personal opinion is that Asian girls, nice though they are, have a too different mentality from European and North American men. They're too child-like for my taste.

The only problem with Russia is the scammers, but if you can confirm that the girl is real then you have a good chance of finding a partner. Also helps if you have a spare cash because it's not cheap importing a wife.

By the way, your 'Darlya' pics are a scam classic! I received them nearly two years ago from a Yoshkar Ola scammer. One of the most effective scam photo sets in history.

Eric...I can confirm that the pics you posted seem to me to be of the same girl but with a different hairstyle.

And as regards corresponding with Russian girls, I'm only speaking from my own personal experience (and the feedback I've got over the years). As you say...of course there could always be exceptions. In over two years of corresponding with Russian/Ukrainian girls, I've never once come across a real girl who contacted me first...always the other way round. I've found the same to be true about Swedish girls as well, actually. One of the reasons is probably that a half-decent-looking girl with a profile on a dating website gets 10-20 winks/mails from men a day!!!...she can pick and choose the ones she'd like to reply too.
2008-01-30, 05:40:06
anonymous from Turkey  
hello from turkey again

tony says me 'Maybe he is a scammer taking a new approach here. Who knows.' so what does it mean?? so anyone can tell me??? i am a scammer but i am writing how i was scammed?? tony you can not blame me so . you can be a scammer too. so??? what else next?
2008-01-30, 09:22:37
OJAS from United States  
Turkey, are you the one wondering ''WHY DO WE NEED someone from internet. i mean it must be a real question.'' I answered you earlier, now if you the same one with a different question, Tony and I met on the internet. Several other have met on the internet ending up with relationship they sought.

Tony and I do not invite scammers here to post a response by addressing them as sweet girls. We know to contact directly lots of sweet girls http://www.delphifa..102.shtml

Because you are anonymous, it is difficult to tell which Turkey you are. If you are on our side, welcome to contribute, and feel free to dissent. If you are one hoping a scammer will post for you here, their e-mails are in the above link.
2008-01-30, 09:48:24
Eddie from Sweden  
Turkey man is obviously not a scammer. He's just questioning the validity of finding a partner via the Internet. And I can relate to his scepticism. It's especially easy to get secptical after you get scammed (which personally I haven't).

But now after a couple of years and quite a few Internet dates IRL, I've found a other words, I know it's possible if you perserve. You hjust have to know what you want.
2008-01-30, 13:06:14
anonymous from Turkey  
hi again from turkey
i am anonymous yes. but can you not think there are another reason why i am anonymous? it is sad to see people here blame me as a scammer. i did not even know what scammer is before i was scammed. tony or other i have a story too. i found a partner and i married with her. and then? divorced .it is easy to blame easy. i want a favour from you. can you please remove Anna's picture?? and everything about her. it is not important if she is a scammer or not. i know i loved her really. and i would like to remove her info because i forgive her for the great name of the love..scammer or not she is a person anyway.if you want to know why i am anonymous then you can ask me my icq number is 195335593. yes so i can tell you..
2008-01-30, 18:12:45
OJAS from United States  
Good response Tony,
This is a second instance (after Vika's victim) where a victim continues to harbor a soft corner, because he considers her a sweet girl anyway, or she is a female etc. That is victims' own prerogative. My emphasis is to do as far as possible inform the next would-be victim the scammer is working on, regardless of the gender of the offender. Sorry, I feel no sympathy for a scammer based on gender, race, religion, nationality, etc. Once confirmed, a scammer is a scammer, I hope eventually victims reconcile to calling a spade a spade, even if it is a queen of spades!
2008-01-30, 18:20:27
anonymous from Turkey  
hi from turkey again

Ojos , i talked with Tony and i know you and tony are right about it. yes why should she scam another ones?
2008-01-30, 18:38:10   (updated: 2008-01-30, 18:38:38)
OJAS from United States  
Thanks Turkey, for your understanding. Sorry you got scammed, all your contributions in the fight against them are appreciated.
2008-01-30, 19:11:09
from United States  
hey guys i wrote about natalia/nataliya....none of the pics or the way the letters are written match up.....can anyone help me on this.....her responses are specific to the questions i ask and i dont know if im just wishful thinkin or what..... i asked for the name and number of the 'travel agency' and she gave me one around_all_world and agents name is Oleg Ponkratov.
2008-01-30, 19:34:10
anonymous from United States  
Hello Jean, Yes I am talking about the same Liliya as you on page 40. Today she sent me a picture from Sohci on the beach. Still claims to live with mum in Lum. She can't figure out why but she has fallen in love with me. Like I said before, I am a very nice looking 57 year old but I'm sure not in the eyes of a 28 year girl. But she is still patiently saiting for my arrival in June. She said that is when her climate is best. Money letter is coming I bet. As for Darya, she only took a week and a half to fall in love. Even after yeasterdays letter to her that she was too young, but two hours of sex with her would be great. lol Good luck Jean. Let me know if you got the same picture today. I am saving to post all I can get. Andy
2008-01-31, 06:12:05
[hidden] from Luxembourg  

Please some comments, looks like a scammer especially with the
The BAt line and Ip address


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Hi Alfred!!!!!
Alfred send me your photos please!!!!!
How are you today? sorry,for the delay.My name is Annet.I'm 25 years old.
This is my personal email, with a photo so you will remember who I am.
A great pleasure for me that I was lucky enough to
find your profile on the site and to tell the truth the photo
and everything what was written there striked me a lot that made me to
write you this message. I'd like to say I can't
control myself to say that you're very lovely looking person and I
would enjoy exchanging emails with you.
You are interesting to me.By e-mail we
can exchange our thoughts, emotions and photos in different
way than using the site. If I've interested you.
Pls tell me more about you.
I'd like to know more about you, pls tell me about you in your next letter ok.
Tell me some of your likes and dislikes with respect to what you are looking for in a women?
What you like to do in your free time and a little about yourself.
My personal email address:
Hope to hear from you soon...

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Hi Alfred!!!!!
How are you?
I'm glad to receive your letter so soon. Alfred you are very interesting to me. I want to
know more about you. I want to see a lot of your photos.
Alfred yes I very much love dances. I was engaged in dances many years.
I'm 5'9 and 124lbs.I'm blonde. What about my work
I work as the secretary in the organization. Our fund help to homeless kids, kids without parents
with clothes, food toys and so on. I like this work because we do our
work for the sake of kids and I'm proud that we do such necessary,
responsible and important job.
My hobby is listening to the music and reading books. I like to
read novels. I prefer a lot of different music. I like
sport. I play tennis. Also I'm fond of hiking, picnics on
fresh air. I try to attend regulary the beauty center. Thanks to
healthy nourishment, my lessons of aerobics and dancing I have slender
body and strong health. My favourite color is is blue and pink... I
prefer tender colors, but my choice usually depends on my mood.
Also I care for my friends very much. I'm carried away with sport and cooking.I love to offer
friends and guests my dishes.
I've never been married and I don't have any
children. I don't smoke and almost don't drink, but sometimes I like
to drink in good company.
So I will wait for your answer. Hope to receive your letter soon :):):)
I've told to you very shortly in several offers about my life.
Pls ask more, that you would like to know about me.

2008-01-31, 09:31:10
Eddie from Sweden  
Hi Luxembourg...

almost definitely a scam, as you say....the BAT! and The IP traces to Yoshkar Ola (capital city of Russian dating scams)

IP address

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netname: ERTH-YOLA-NET
descr: ZAO 'Company 'ER-Telecom' Yoshkar-Ola address space
country: RU
admin-c: ETHD12-RIPE
tech-c: ETHD12-RIPE
source: RIPE # Filtered
role: Network Operation Center CJSC ER-Telecom Company Mari El branch
address: 12, Lenina st., 424000, Yoshkar-Ola, Russia
phone: +7 8362 210035
fax-no: +7 8362 210035
admin-c: SMS68-RIPE
tech-c: ALB49-RIPE
tech-c: AVA89-RIPE
nic-hdl: ETHD12-RIPE
source: RIPE # Filtered
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